I’m Confused And Scared
Now I’m so confused. He seems to make sense, but he can’t be right! Can He? Maggie Gallagher told me The Gays don’t deserve to have marriages. And what is this he said about considering my wife to be property? Can I have that kind of marriage still? Oh and is it wrong for me to think he is attractive?
Brilliant unfortuantely those with a closed mind will not uchange. BTW I’m not gay and used to buy into that Orange County, CA ultra-conservative scheisse when I was a kid.
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I’m very glad someone took the time out to look at and analyze the argument on the anti-SSM side. I didn’t here a lot of good arguments like I did here and it was very nice to see that change.
I thought I might suggest something. I’m part of the Queer Straight Alliance at my college and we do a lot of campaigning and one thing we advertize is a brochure that is titled “1,138 federal rights denied to same sex couples”. I don’t know how updated it is but I know it’s fairly recent, and unfortunately I also don’t know how it pertains to civil unions/domestic partnerships. But it does coorelate(sp?) to mini DOMAs that were passed in individual states(I think 15) after it was signed by Bill Clinton in 1995? I wish I could be more specific but this is all off of memory and I don’t currently have access to all the info.
But I thought that 1,138 rights would be good to point out about the whole “Why not civil unions?” argument.
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MsMkie Reply:
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 am
@Deborah Smith, incest is illegal because of the dangerous potential do procreate and create overly homozygous children (see Charles II of Spain, who was so inbred that his genes were more similar than those of a brother-sister union). Of course, that is not to say that a brother-sister incest union can’t exist without sex, but it is an orange and Gay marriage is an apple. Incest has potentially genetically dangerous implications, and was made illegal for that reason.
Gay marriage activists – or activists for equal marriage rights – are fighting to eliminate the orientation-based segregation that exists in our country, where we the heterosexuals will only let gays & lesbians get a second-rate union, while we get to call ourselves “married”. At present, only 1/2 of the nation is allowed to marry men, and that’s because of our birthright: the vagina. Letting the other half of the nation marry men won’t affect anyone at all other than the two men who want to get married, and due to obvious procreative issues, are 100% less likely to give birth to a genetically at-risk child, or give birth to another child to contribute to overpopulation. (Well, gay men, that is.)
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Bobby Jones Reply:
March 8th, 2010 at 4:32 am
@MsMkie, What if a sister wanted to marry her sister? There would be no birth defects or disease then. And if you made exceptions for them, wouldn’t you have to for a brother and a sister as well? If not, homosexuals would then have more rights then heterosexuals and this is all about equal rights, right?
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I find the arguments presented by both gays and religious conservatives to be… humorous.
My first question to the gays would be WHY? Why do you want to enter into a marriage? What do you have to gain?
From my perspective, it’s an archaic ritual steeped in religious fanaticism. I’m married – and without the documentation stating as such, I’d have the same relationship with my spouse of 14 years as I’ve had with it. What exactly is this worth to gay people?
And of course the “slippery slope”. He’s apparently dodged the consensual incest argument that would more likely derail the discussion. Leave the goats and pedophilia comments to the 700 club – no rational person takes them seriously. However, if a man were to want to marry his consenting sister, should he not have the same right as a gay person? That doesn’t strike me as any more or less unsavory than a gay relationship, nor do I think it would affect my wife, children, or my children’s children. Is this comparison offensive to gays? I would certainly hope not – it would be hypocritical in the extreme.
Choosing marriage as a battleground for acceptance appears masochistic at best. Sure, you’ll make more headlines riling the zealots, but you will also garner the ire of people like myself that previously had no real interest in a non-issue. Women demanding access to all-male military academies come to mind.
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Kitty Moone Reply:
July 7th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
@Jason,
marriage is not just a sheet of paper and a ring.
There is a whole host of financial and tax benefits as well.
A single person won’t get as much tax return money as a married person. A married college student can get much, much more in financial aid and grants than a single student.
Homosexuals should have the right to experience those financial benifits as much as heterosexuals.
When renting an apartment, landlords are more likely to lease to married couples than to single people.
When applying for a job, married people are seen as more “stable” than single people, and are thus more likely to be hired.
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Helen Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
@Jason,
Don’t essentially disagree with anything you’re saying, and Kitty makes some great points too.
However, whether you believe it a worthy enough cause to fight, doesn’t change the fact that illegal same-sex marriages is structural discrimination which must be challenged.
It’s not really marriage itself. It’s that denying it to same sex couples sends a message saying “you are not equal”.
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Ben Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:07 am
@Jason,
The very fact that you are married is a perfect example. You loosely threw away that fact. You are married. You have entered and can do something that gay people are not allowed to do. If you only think of it as a piece of paper then why did you do it? Why are you married? Clearly there is something special about it otherwise you wouldn’t have done it. If someone told you you couldn’t get married you’d be outraged because it does mean something.
As for the sister thing i would still consider that as outrageous as the goats as there is probably as many cases for goats as there are for siblings. The gay demand however is much higher with a huge community of people. I do see your point but society is about evolution and change. A hundred years ago a black person couldn’t step on a bus and was considered sub-human. Things change and its the little changes that make a big difference in life.
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Bobby Jones Reply:
March 8th, 2010 at 4:27 am
@Ben, What if a sister wanted to marry her sister? There would be no birth defects or disease then. And if you made exceptions for them, wouldn’t you have to for a brother and a sister as well? One more point, what does the amount of people that support it have to do with anything? Isn’t this all about equal rights?
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Unicorn Dick Reply:
August 19th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
@Jason, Ass hole.
We have plenty to gain because we belong to each other in the face of others.
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Adam Flanders Reply:
September 28th, 2009 at 3:16 am
@Jason,
Incest is illegal between two adults of the opposite sex in order to prevent disease and birth defects in offspring. Relationships between same-sex couples do not result in genetic disorders.
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Re: slippery slope to bestiality/pedophilia/polygamy…
These reporters are from a different generation. And, I would say a socially uneducated one at that. Perhaps they watched “All In the Family” and adopted the stereotypes of yesterday. There are many who associate homosexuality with pedophilia, because they were told at a very young age that these things were wrong. It’s sad because through all the verbal diarrhea, they aren’t saying what is really behind it all… FEAR! Fear that equality makes them just another Joe, and nothing special. (Sorry to those named Joe) I compare it to a rich CEO who just refuses to give his employees raises because in his righteous mind, no one is more deserving than he/she. Ultimately, we have no right to judge someone else.. on both sides. It’s sad that we have not evolved passed the need to ‘throw tea in the harbor’ to make effective change. We want something, and we want it now! I believe patience is a virtue that we all need to nurture. No backlashing at those who are anti-gay marriage. I’m not suggesting a passive role, rather a very aggressive one in educating the children of America’s future!
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I think I’m in love. You know, the less special gay kind. Can I borrow him for the next Pride Fair so we can ditch the protesters early?
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I just wanted to add to the slippery slope argument because I have the same one. I am a Catholic married to a Jew. It wasn’t until I was committed in this relationship that I learned that there are people who find our marriage invalid or even disgusting. Even in this day and age, people view us as different races. Seriously. If we allow religion to influence who can get married. Which religion gets a say and how long is it until my own marriage is revoked?
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I’m surprised no one’s mentioned the fact that pedophiles *are* allowed to marry children. All they need is the consent of the parent *and* the child. And viola, perfectly legal marriage between an 80 year old and an 8 year old.
And yet, it’s not legal for two 30 year old men to get married to each other. Because, gasp, making that legal might lead to legalizing pedophilia. Oh wait….
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It is maddening that we can’t be considered equal. That so many people get to be critics and more importantly get to vote in a decision of whether or not gay people can marry each other… It’s legal for us to be gay, it’s legal for us to live together…but it’s illegal for us to marry? How does this become something that others can decide? Why? This subject would be open and shut, and we would have our rights if it weren’t such a great media distraction while the world affairs, global economy and the atmosphere go to shit.
I’d say patience is virtue.
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